March 18, 2026

Unmasking a Conman: Heather Rovet's Survival Story

Unmasking a Conman: Heather Rovet's Survival Story

⚠️ Trigger Warning: Emotional abuse, manipulation, fraud Heather Rovet thought she had found love. Instead… she found a conman. He was charming. Attentive. Everything she thought she wanted. But behind the scenes, he was lying, stealing, and living a completely different life. This episode shows how easy it is to get pulled in—and why it’s not your fault. If you’ve ever ignored your gut… or questioned your reality… this story will hit home. ✔️ The real signs of love bombing ✔️ How manip...

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⚠️ Trigger Warning: Emotional abuse, manipulation, fraud

Heather Rovet thought she had found love. Instead… she found a conman.

He was charming. Attentive. Everything she thought she wanted. But behind the scenes, he was lying, stealing, and living a completely different life.

This episode shows how easy it is to get pulled in—and why it’s not your fault.

If you’ve ever ignored your gut… or questioned your reality… this story will hit home.

✔️ The real signs of love bombing
 ✔️ How manipulation hides in plain sight
 ✔️ Why smart, strong women still get targeted
 ✔️ How to spot red flags earlier
 ✔️ How to rebuild trust in yourself

You deserve real love. Not lies.

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00:43 - Meet Heather Rovet

02:03 - Handyman Turned Boyfriend

07:56 - Charm and Grooming Tactics

12:08 - Red Flags and Gaslighting

19:56 - Discarding and Double Life

34:29 - Still Hunting on Apps

38:52 - Creepy Double Life

41:16 - Red Flags And Gut

52:30 - Victims Rights And Money

58:36 - Name Changes And Probation

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Did you know many women find out the truth about their partner only after they've already moved in?

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Or worse, what if the person sleeping next to you had a secret criminal past and you had no idea?

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I know how manipulation hides in plain sight, and today's guest lived it.

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She trusted him, loved him, built a life with him.

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By the end of this episode, you'll know the red flag she missed, how she uncovered the truth, and how to protect yourself from becoming the next target.

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Heather Rovett, I really want to thank you to the show.

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Thank you for being here.

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Thank you for having me.

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I love doing podcast interviews.

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I love meeting new people.

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Absolutely.

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Me too.

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It's like one of my favorite things about the whole job.

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So if anyone out there listening, if her name does sound familiar, she is in it's a documentary called Roncom.

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Who the fuck is Jason Porter?

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And it's on Amazon Prime.

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First of all, what I have to tell you is you're a little badass.

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Thank you.

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And I love that.

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Somewhere along the journey, it there I definitely became a little obsessed.

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Not always the down the healthiest path.

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But yeah, it when the criminal justice system here in Canada failed me for what we did to me, I just wanted to expose him.

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And then it it's it was almost like an onion.

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Like every layer just turned out to be like more victims, more crimes.

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And he, yeah, he deserves what he got in the end, as far as I'm concerned.

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But I do think he could have cried more time.

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Oh, yeah, I was gonna get to that later.

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That was ridiculous.

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So I had the pleasure of actually watching the documentary, and so you pretty much you hired a handyman and ended up with a boyfriend.

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I I had renovated my condo in Toronto, and the company that I had used to do all the kitchen catemetry and the bathroom vanities, he actually worked for their company.

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So they sent him over a couple months after I'd moved back in back into the condo, and some things needed tweaking or fixing.

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He was their new service guy, so to speak.

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And how he ever got hired with his criminal past, which I did not know about at that time, is beyond me.

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So literally one day I on a Monday morning in July, I opened my front door and there he was.

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And he was very cute and charming and not normally what I would have gone for in a guy.

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And it didn't happen all on that first day that we met.

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But I don't know, it just when we first met, something it was like a spark went off in me.

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Like I definitely felt like a pull towards this person from the very get-go.

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But I have to say, and I actually loathe the saying hindsight 2020 because what I know now, had I known then, I never would have gotten involved with him.

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But there definitely was on my part an attraction and a magnetism.

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But I think what he was doing was grooming me and setting me up to be a long-term con, a long-term victim of his.

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You seem to be like from at least what they showed on the documentary, his longest relationship, so to speak.

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He lived with you guys were like on and off for what, three years?

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We were yes, just over three years.

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It was once it got going, it was on the whole time.

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The only time was at the very end, like the very, very the last month when we hadn't officially before I knew the truth.

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It was only the last month where we weren't, we hadn't broken up and I I didn't know the truth.

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And we were in this in-between, you know, he was claiming he needed some space and he wasn't coming home.

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But meanwhile, I'm still living in the home that we moved into together and trying to understand what's going on.

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But yeah, no, we were together together.

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Like we were when put it this way, when the world locked down for COVID, I thought it was the best thing ever.

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I was like, oh, this is awesome.

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We're gonna be locked in this house.

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Like that point, we're living in the condo.

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I was like, we're gonna be in this condo together all the time.

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This is great.

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Like, I actually relished the idea of spending even more time with him.

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So we were very, very much on.

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I do think, yes, I probably am one of his longer relationships.

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Before me, he was in a long relationship, about probably almost the same amount of time.

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I feel like he has about a three, three and a half year mark with people, and then probably the lives just start closing in.

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But he was with a woman before me who he had the child with, the child that I never met.

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And prior to that, he had been married, you know, in I don't know, maybe around 2008, 2009, and that probably was his longest relationship from start to finish because he did have to go through a formal divorce.

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But what I think Jace realized in 2010, all over the Canadian, all over the Greater Toronto area news, there were headlines for online Romeo wanted, and then you know, online Romeo arrested because he was probably one of the original romance fraudsters.

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He had been meeting women online and not only stealing from them, but I think what he had been doing when he'd be on a date, some a woman would go to the bathroom and he would steal a piece of her ID.

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And then I believe he opened up credit cards in their names.

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So he was defrauding them on that level, too.

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For whatever reason, back in 2010, a smart police detective believed the woman who came forward, and he guess a couple other people maybe came forward, and he had been arrested, and he ended up pleading guilty instead of going to trial.

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And I believe he got sentenced to three years in prison.

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So I think when Jason Porter got out of prison in 2014, he probably here in Canada, you never serve your full sentence.

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He probably did two-thirds of his sentence, got out on parole.

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And I think he was in the prison system.

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He probably had a lot of time to think, and he came out with a whole new persona.

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So we went from Jason Porter to Jace Parati, and he got back on the apps right away, and he met another woman whom he improved.

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And then I think what he probably realized was this is great.

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I have a woman who adores me.

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I have a home, a kid, like everything I could want, I've got.

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So it's very easy for him to hide behind this persona of being this great guy and having the great life.

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Meanwhile, behind her back, he was up to no good the entire time.

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She finally catches on, kicks him out.

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And within months, I meet him organically, not on a website, not on a dating app, but organically.

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And once again, he's reinvented himself.

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So he's gone from Jason Porter to Jace Peratti.

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But when I met him, he told me his name was Jace Paretti.

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Totally different spelling.

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And I guess he's just gotten so good at coming up with his backstory and lying about it and lying about it.

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By the time I met him, I it was so everything that came out of his mouth was believable.

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And what can I say?

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He is a con man, and part of his con is being so charming, and it's all part of that psychopath narcissist, narcissistic characteristics where partly what they do is they mirror what you need.

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So in me, he probably saw a woman who felt she was confident and independent, but really wanted love.

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And he gave me that.

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But really, it turned out I was with a complete psychopath, which is so scary because they do they tell you what you want to hear, they love bomb you, they every time you do catch on, they gaslight you.

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So they're it just oh, it pissed me off.

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So I think to be honest, because I'll go down rabbit holes, and I'm like, I think that's why he became a handyman.

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Because who hires handy men?

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Women, either women who don't have a man in the house or that aren't handy, that way he could get into people's homes because you were like one of the only ones he didn't meet on a dating site.

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All the other so I started thinking, oh my gosh, it's probably why he even got into that line of work to also be in homes to steal things, yes, and to meet women.

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Yep, 100%.

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I now think back to the very first day he came to my condo and I it was a nice renovation, it looked beautiful, and I was very proud of it.

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And now I think he must have just been casing the joint to use the lingo.

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I feel like he probably was looking around going, oh, this woman's got a nice condo, nice view, decent space.

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Like sh he totally sussed me out and played me.

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But I felt like he did that with a quite a bit of the women because the women like he knew what he was looking for, and so he had a type.

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All these women were well established.

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It's not like they were living paycheck to paycheck working on.

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Oh, I know.

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The in the documentary, there's a few of the other women, and they're all incredible, they're all successful.

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She's a titan in Canadian business.

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She is so very wealthy and so generous and so philanthropic.

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And Leslie, whom he stole the carteer watch from, again, like very comfortable life.

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Like, I think, yeah.

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And it's so sad to me because our entire relationship, I was very fraudulent or happy that we had met organically.

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And here I used to call it like the Hollywood Meet Cue.

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Like, literally, I open my door and there's the cute guy.

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I have never been one to want to online date, even though I know it's here to stay and it's it has its benefits.

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I do know people who have met great people on dating apps, but it also is a playground for predators like him to meet vulnerable people.

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And it's so sad to me, out of all of it, that the one thing that we all want in this, maybe not all of us, but the one thing that I really did want in this world, which was a loving, committed, happy relationship, involving my heart.

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He just weaponized that.

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He turned that into the most meanest thing anybody could ever do.

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And once I learned he was so calculated because some narcissists, like, once they're out in public or whatnot, they don't really some people can see through it a little easier.

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He wooed everybody, friends, family, like everybody loved him.

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First of all, don't be so hard on yourself because he was really good at what he did.

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He knew what he was doing and he played it as a role.

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Even when I would, in terms of red flags, so to speak, if I ever one of the things with Jace was he claimed that on his mother's side, although his mother had passed away, which is true, in a car accident when he was about 18, there was a family cottage.

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And in Ontario, in the summer, everyone wants to go to the cottage.

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You want to get out of the city.

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If you live in New York City, you want to go to the Hamptons.

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Like you just you want to get out.

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He apparently had this phenomenal family cottage.

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And for three, four summers, I was like, Can we go to the cottage?

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Can we go?

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Let's go to your family cottage.

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When can we go?

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And it would always he would turn it, that's the gaslighting.

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He would like turn it around and make me feel so bad for asking.

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And perhaps that might have been a red flag, but I feel like whenever I did try to talk to him about anything that was of concern, he had a story and a reason for everything and would just more often than not turn everything around, turn the conversation around.

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And it would leave me feeling really bad.

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And I was like, okay.

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And again, that's the gaslighting and the emotional abuse.

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But when I was in it, I didn't know what that was.

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It would only take months after months and years after all of this to really unpack it all and heal from it and recognize it.

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And yeah, he's really good at what he does.

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Some of my friends, and even my dad, who was in the documentary, they had suspicions, but nobody wanted to say anything to me because, like they all said, I was just so happy.

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And I have to wonder how much of that is just my natural personality that I am more a glass half full as opposed to half-empty person.

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But look, there's that amazing Netflix series that's gone all around the world.

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Love is blind.

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Like you there's something to be said.

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I think when you are in love with someone, you're seeing the best in them.

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You're not going in seeing all their flaws and faults.

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But when you do fall in love, you learn to you're already in love.

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So you're like, I accept you for who you are and who you're not.

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If you're a slob, I can live with that.

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I can all pick up your jeans that are on the floor and tidy up.

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But you're opt in.

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But I've always had to me, my heart isn't a light switch.

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I just can't turn it on and off, on and off.

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So once I fell in love with him, which happened fairly quickly because of the love bombing.

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I it was I even that month when he was taking his space, the very last month of the relationship, when we hadn't broken up and I didn't know the entire truth or anything, at length, I still believed that we were just in a growing pain and we were gonna get through this.

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And that was you don't really see it till you step out.

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You gotta get out of it, unfortunately.

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And that's the first step.

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Because no matter what you go to them with, they're gonna have an excuse.

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There's a story.

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That's when we start making the excuses because we want to believe them.

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You you loved, you know, like this is who you wanted to spend the rest of your life with, and everything else he said you thought was truth.

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Honestly, I thought by the end of the documentary I was gonna find out he didn't even have a kid.

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That's where I thought this was going.

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No, he very much has that son, and I feel I feel like if there's any collateral damage in the story, it is the little boy who I believe is 10, turning 11 very soon.

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I never did meet him.

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Early on in our relationship when we first started dating, he would often FaceTime me while he was on his visits with his son, but I never physically met him.

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And one of the gut-wrenching things I used to every Christmas and for his birthday, I would give Jace gifts to give to this kid who I never met.

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And when I went through round two of finding stuff out, all the stuff that was hidden under the bed that I bought and made the room for his son, in that bag of stuff were Christmas cards and birthday cards that I given his son that he obviously never got.

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And I would later learn, because I finally did talk to the woman, the boy's mom, and hearing learning her story was interesting because there's so many parallels, and I feel almost worse for her because she has a kid with him, so she's tied to him forever.

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But the big difference in our stories is this actually isn't in the documentary, but when I first started dating Jace, he was very open about the mother of his son, and he told me her name.

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And of course, I it's not like I didn't Google Jace Paretti.

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When I started dating Jace, I Googled Jace Pareti, and he had no real online presence.

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And I asked him about that, and he said mainly because of going through the family court stuff, he was trying to keep a low-key profile, and he really wasn't big on social media.

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Totally viable excuse.

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Couple of my closest friends, they do not have, they are not on any social media platform.

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They just don't do it.

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They just don't do it.

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So I was like, So when he told me who the mother of his son is, I looked her up on Facebook and sure enough, her and I had a mutual friend.

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So I asked that mutual friend, how do you know this person?

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He said, Oh my gosh, I went to junior school with her, but I haven't seen her in years.

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He messaged her on Facebook and he said, Hey, my best friend is dating your ex.

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You know, is he a good guy?

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And she wrote back to my friend and she said, I don't want to talk about that man.

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I'll let the family court decide.

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And my friend showed me the answer.

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That response from her completely played into the story that he had told me about her, that she didn't want the breakup and she was heartbroken and devastated, and she was taking it out on him and locking him out of the house and freezing him out of bank accounts and all this stuff.

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So hearing, like seeing that response, I was like, oh, wow, of course she is.

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But the truth was that really isn't how it was.

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Like, that's not the truth.

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The truth was that she actually did figure out through the help of her family lawyer that he was Jason Porter, and she didn't feel the need to warn me on that level.

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But in her defense, because I don't think she knew that Jay she'd found so much stuff throughout their house, and she'd had women contact her, she knew he was up to no good, and she knew about his previous arrests and whatnot.

00:18:39.599 --> 00:18:42.880
Yeah, for whatever reason, she didn't feel the need to share that with other women.

00:18:43.039 --> 00:18:48.880
But I do feel bad for her that she is tied to this criminal and that she has a son with him.

00:18:48.960 --> 00:19:03.200
And I would be terrified having his offspring because if psychopathy or narcissistic personality disorder is at all hereditary, that little boy might have tendencies.

00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:04.559
I'm sure you never know.

00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:22.160
For whatever reasons, knowing the hell I went through extricating myself from the house in Aurora and dealing with everything I had to deal with, I'm sure she was in her own living hell and having to look after a little kid who was probably only three at the time would have been really painful.

00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.480
So I do give her grace on that.

00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:31.039
Had she had her response to my friend been, hey, tell your friend to call me, or tell your friend to run.

00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:31.839
Or run.

00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:33.599
I would have been like, What?

00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.519
I would like to think that early on in the relationship, I wouldn't have stayed.

00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:50.799
Like in the documentary when in part two, when Desiree comes on, the pretty blonde, and she starts talking about her best now ex-best friend Jen and Henry, the director.

00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:53.839
So how after how many months did he move in with her?

00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.319
And she was like, months, try two weeks.

00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:01.599
So in the August, when he hadn't been coming home, that's where he was.

00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:02.960
He had moved in with her.

00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:09.680
And anytime he came by the home, I when he would come back home to get more clothes or do something, I'd be like, Are you are you seeing anyone?

00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:10.559
What is going on?

00:20:10.720 --> 00:20:11.359
I don't understand.

00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.319
We have this huge house, like we can sleep in a bedroom upstairs.

00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.640
Like, why I don't understand the space anymore.

00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:20.240
I got in at the beginning, like the first couple of weeks, but it's now been a month.

00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:21.519
What's going on?

00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:25.599
And one of his responses, this is classic.

00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:32.640
He, when he was back in the house, he and I was trying to get answers out of him, but he looked at me and he was so mean.

00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:36.960
And this is in the abuse cycle when they talk about discarding.

00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:41.519
I didn't know it then, but now it's just it gives me chills to remember this.

00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:50.559
But he looked at me and he was like, Leather, I wouldn't be this upset with you if I'd walked in and caught you fucking someone in our bed.

00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:57.680
And I was so taken aback by that, and I was so hurt by that.

00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:12.319
To then like maybe six weeks later, learning the truth that in fact the week that after our little fight when I gave him space and came down to the city from Aurora, he'd slept with her in our bed.

00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:16.640
Oh my god.

00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.400
Look at on the date that he picked you up with the motorcycle.

00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:22.640
That's the motorcycle Leslie bottom.

00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:23.279
Yeah.

00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:25.039
Yeah, right?

00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:26.000
Exactly.

00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.119
He used his trinkets to get other women.

00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:32.559
Like that literally became his full-time job.

00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:33.119
Yeah.

00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:47.039
Oh, the night when I like the afternoon that I finally cracked the password and got into the shared big desktop computer and was going through all his emails, and I was taking screenshot after screenshot.

00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:59.759
That night when my girlfriend Kristen came over, who's in the documentary, I just I remember her sitting on the couch in the office and she was going through all the screenshots and she was like almost laughing to because she was just like, This is his.

00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:00.799
Job.

00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:02.319
This is what he does.

00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.319
He doesn't work at Oracle.

00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:08.000
He's not a contractor building a company, Heather.

00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:09.839
He this is his job.

00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:25.200
And she says it so brilliantly in the documentary, too, that for all the other women out there, because I had some women reach out to not some, I had some reach out to me before the documentary when the article first came out that led to the making of the documentary.

00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:27.039
And they said, Yeah, I dated him briefly.

00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:28.559
I guess I wasn't wealthy enough for him.

00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:29.839
He didn't take anything from me.

00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:40.960
But the truth is, all he has to do is go in once, and you know, you have some making out time or sex and somebody's in the bathroom, and then he goes and he like grabs a ring and he takes off with it.

00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.200
Like you're not going to notice right away one or two things missing.

00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.359
It's until you go to put on that thing.

00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:59.279
I had a woman call me in October of last fall, October 2025, who finally saw the documentary and she was like, I dated him before, way before you.

00:22:59.359 --> 00:23:01.519
But she's, did you ever see a ring?

00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:07.759
And she described this beautiful ring that he must have, she's I'm pretty sure it was him who stole it from me.

00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.640
And that's how he gets away with it.

00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:18.640
Because all you have to do is steal one or two things without any video proof or like sales receipts.

00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.359
How can you prove he took it?

00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:30.160
And I unlike the Tinder Swindler, for instance, who I've actually become friends with Cecilia, she's so lovely.

00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:39.039
But the Tinder Swindler, who was almost more like a Ponzi scheme with a few people like boring large having them take out large sums of money.

00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:41.119
Jace is petty.

00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:43.119
He steals to survive.

00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:48.640
It was like with my mom's jewelry that he eventually, it's not like he went in and stole it all at once.

00:23:48.799 --> 00:24:03.680
He figured out where she kept it, and he would steal it piece by piece to the point where she when she finally went through the safe and realized like all these boxes and ring bags, they're all empty.

00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:05.680
It was disgusting.

00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:14.000
Like it was I was wondering, like when you called the cops and the cops came and you're like, I want them out, and they're like, pretty much there's nothing we can do.

00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.400
Why didn't you show them the pawn receipts?

00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.319
Wouldn't that have been enough right then to send them to jail?

00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:27.119
So when the cops came to my house in Aurora and I told them, first of all, I'm like, he hasn't been here, he hasn't slept here in a month.

00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.559
Like, I'm going to change the locks.

00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:31.359
And they're like, We don't suggest you do that because he's your co-tenant.

00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:33.039
I'm like, is he though?

00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:34.960
Because his name's not even his name.

00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.119
So that makes this I'm a real estate broker.

00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.240
As far as I'm concerned, this lease would be null and void.

00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.519
And then I said to them, What about my mom's stuff?

00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:50.799
If you're like, I asked them for a restraining order, because in case he did come back and they laughed at me.

00:24:50.880 --> 00:25:01.200
And I was like, You're not concerned that this man who went to federal prison, who was sentenced to three years and has a history of doing this, you I can show you he's still up to it, up to no good.

00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:02.240
You're not concerned.

00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:07.039
They're like, no, unless one of those women comes forward, what can we do?

00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:08.559
And I said, What about my mom's stuff?

00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.240
And they said, It's up to her to report that to her local police.

00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:15.279
So that's what happened.

00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:16.000
Wow.

00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:16.559
Yeah.

00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:21.920
I feel like all of his receipts belong to somebody, and none of them belonged to him.

00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:22.799
All the items.

00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:23.759
Oh my god.

00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:37.440
I know that there's picture of him like holding one of my mom's rings, like holding the ring box with my mom's ring, and it's the backsplash in our kitchen.

00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:45.200
You know, he could never deny it's not him who stole any of this, but yeah, it's so shitty.

00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:54.240
So he spoiler alert for those who haven't watched the documentary, he is in jail, but he's only in jail for stealing my mom's jewelry.

00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:59.440
And the sad thing about that is he stole like this much.

00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.000
And we have this much evidence.

00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:21.599
Because the night the police came to the house in Aurora, and I had that terrifying 911 call that you hear in the documentary, they were actually going to arrest me that night because he flipped the whole narrative around and said, The reason I haven't been staying here is because about a month ago Heather assaulted me and apparently had some proof.

00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.920
And I was just like, Are you kidding me?

00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:33.920
So the police felt that because he decided not to press charges, they gave him all these liberties.

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:34.799
So they left.

00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.319
The police left and left us in the house together that night.

00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:46.240
And then he went in and took a phone cord and locked, wrapped it around the door handle so I couldn't get in.

00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:48.400
And he proceeded to erase the computer.

00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:54.799
And I hadn't gotten all the screen, I got a full bunch of screenshots off, like hundreds, but there were hundreds more.

00:26:54.960 --> 00:27:00.559
So there was more evidence for my mom's stuff that we could have probably used to have more charges laid.

00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:11.200
But sadly, at the end of the day, it was like I don't know, like one count or two counts of theft over 5,000 and one count of like possession of crime.

00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.119
Like the way it's worded is very technical, but yeah.

00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:34.480
And then after the lengthy three plus year battle through the Canadian criminal justice system, after he finally pled guilty to avoid going to trial, the crown attorney, which is like the DA in the states, asked for one year.

00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:41.599
They were asking for one year, and his lawyer was asking for two years with a house arrest with an ankle monitor.

00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:47.599
And I was like, are you like I'm like, this is a man with a known past that we know has done more.

00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:50.240
We know this whole time he's still been up to no good.

00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:57.519
So thank God the judge was really remarkable, and that didn't sit well with her.

00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:06.960
So she did give him two years less one day, which so again in Canada, I don't know how it works in the States, but in Canada, two years less one day, you go to provincial jail.

00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.920
Anything over two years, you go to federal prison.

00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.200
I've been told the jails are in a way worse than the prisons.

00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.400
The conditions aren't as great, like they're overcrowded.

00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:24.720
I think when if you're in prison for a longer, like the time you get it becomes your home.

00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:28.559
And it's not that it's any you're still locked up, but who knows?

00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:32.000
They probably have library time and more gym time or outdoor time.

00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:39.039
I pray that while he's in there, he does not have access to any computers because that's like a weapon of his choice.

00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:40.400
Oh, for sure.

00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:49.200
When I saw that, two years minus a day and three years probation, I was like, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:53.839
I'm like, her Tiffany jewelry is worth more than that shit.

00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:54.720
I know.

00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.000
I know.

00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:59.440
And he has to pay my mom back restitution.

00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:03.680
And if he once he gets out, I think he within two months of being out, he has to start paying her.

00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:09.279
I think it's$1,300 or$1,400 a month until it gets up to, I think, about$38,000.

00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:14.400
And if he apparently if he misses a payment, it can trigger him going back to jail.

00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:15.920
So let's see what happens.

00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:19.599
He still has two outstanding cases against him.

00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:26.720
So at the end of March, the trial for Leslie's Cartier is happening.

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.720
Oh, good.

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.200
Yeah, so she's a witness for that.

00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:33.119
So I told her I'd go and support her.

00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:34.079
Now who knows?

00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.240
Maybe he'll end up pleading guilty.

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.839
And then in the documentary, as you recall, there was the day.

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.680
So we hadn't been greenlit yet for the documentary.

00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.319
We were in paid development with Amazon.

00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:55.039
And the trial, this would have been the winter of 2024, January 24, January 2024.

00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.480
The trial was set to start.

00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:03.119
So we hadn't been greenlit, but they wanted to capture him coming to court the first day and my reaction.

00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:11.680
And that's that brilliant shot where he like puts the jacket over his head and does the perp walk right in front of the camera.

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.440
And sorry.

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:20.880
He does the perp walk right in front of the camera.

00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:28.000
And then, as luck would have it, that first day of court, his lawyer was sick.

00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.319
So all the jurors, everybody got sent home.

00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.880
And because Jason seen me with the camera, that gave him time to plot and scheme.

00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:45.119
And he showed up at court two days later claiming to have found these flyers everywhere, which led to the case being adjourned indefinitely.

00:30:45.359 --> 00:31:03.920
His lawyer ended up recusing himself, and a whole new investigation started, which eventually led to the new charges of obstruction of justice, jury tampering, and something else, which I think might be like public causing mischief in a public place, meaning like a court of law.

00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:12.480
And the OPP detective told me the those charges compared to theft and crime are very serious.

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:17.200
So that trial is supposed to be starting in September of this year.

00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:18.480
So we'll see what happens.

00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.519
Hopefully he gets more time.

00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:31.440
No, I am very happy that he still has he has more dates to look at that.

00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:31.920
Yeah.

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:40.000
So he'll either end up like pleading guilty, hopefully trying in his mind, maybe trying to get a lesser sentence of sorts.

00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:52.160
But I also know that the crown attorney's office, at least for the new charges and for my mom's stuff, they're they've seen it all with him.

00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.759
They're prepared for him to probably cause more mischief or more delays.

00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:02.480
But the bigger question is how the hell is this guy paying for a lawyer if he's in jail and isn't working?

00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:05.119
But I have my theories on that too.

00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:06.960
Oh, I have some.

00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.440
That pen pal program, he found himself a little sugar mama.

00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:12.160
Yes.

00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.519
And I think that sugar mama's desire's friend.

00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:16.640
She's still with him.

00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:17.599
No, God.

00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:18.079
Yeah.

00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:21.519
I was, I didn't know if you knew, ended up.

00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.720
I shouldn't say that so boldly.

00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:43.119
Last I heard, which was late last year, she was very much still with him and visiting him and distraught that he was in jail and refused to watch the documentary, and she thinks that Desiree and I are mean girls.

00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.799
She would call, she would describe me probably as jealous, scorned.

00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:55.920
And out of all the victims, out of all the women, like she's the only one who was ever warned.

00:32:56.319 --> 00:33:03.039
She had the liberties of I spoke with her for three hours when she learned the truth of who he was.

00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:04.960
And she went back to him.

00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:09.279
She's probably the longest relationship he's had now.

00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:12.960
Because that would be well over three years at this point.

00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.400
That's a good just thing from the listeners.

00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:26.559
When you have a group of people who all have the same story, they don't know each other.

00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:36.319
So it's not like everyone sat in a round circle and said, Okay, you say this, I say this, but on their own accord, tell you who this person really is.

00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:43.119
You need to listen because he's not gonna tell you who he really is, because he needs you.

00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:44.640
Yeah.

00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:59.599
And the fact that the story, I know the documentary, the production company reached out to both Jace and Jen to ask if they would like to tell their side of the story for the documentary, and they ignored every possible contact.

00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:05.519
Surely there's gotta be maybe a small part of her brain that is going.

00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:14.639
If if if your boyfriend's story is being turned into a documentary on Amazon Prime Video, maybe there's some truth to it.

00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.719
I don't know.

00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.199
I would think so.

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:25.519
But and if more and more charges keep coming, you've got to see the writing on the wall.

00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.320
Clearly, this guy is not innocent.

00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.000
Yeah, totally.

00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:43.360
And I know firsthand he never stopped being on the dating apps the entire time he was with her, and not just heterosexual apps.

00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:49.199
One of my gay friends found him on a gay hookup app called what's it called?

00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:50.000
Grinder.

00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:51.599
Sound nasty.

00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:52.800
Grindr.

00:34:53.119 --> 00:35:00.480
And my other good gay friend, my hairstylist, whenever I would go, he's on Grindr, so I'd be like, launch him.

00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:05.760
And I knew if his user, I would we'd look him up, and he would be often online active.

00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.599
I was like, Can he see me?

00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:08.000
Can he see?

00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:09.039
I was so free.

00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:09.679
I was so anxious.

00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:10.880
Like, can you see us?

00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:11.920
But he couldn't.

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:13.360
It's pretty nasty.

00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:22.079
Two days after he pled guilty, so in January of 2025, do you have in Florida those in Facebook on Facebook?

00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.760
There's those dating groups called Are We Dating the Same Guy?

00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.199
Yes, we do.

00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.039
So there are a stab role here in the GTA.

00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:32.079
Are we dating the same guy?

00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:33.519
Toronto, are we dating the same guy?

00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:34.320
York, Mrs.

00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:34.719
On.

00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:50.960
And two days after he pled guilty, I got a Facebook notification that I was tagged in a post, and I'd go and see, and some woman has posted his picture and said, What's the deal on this guy?

00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.840
And so somebody saw it and they tagged me, and I was like, I need to hear the story.

00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.039
And she was like, Oh my god, I was supposed to go out with him tonight.

00:35:59.119 --> 00:35:59.840
Like, thank you.

00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.599
Same with Tiffany.

00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:06.000
So Tiffany, who's incredible, like her.

00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:14.159
I don't know if the documentary conveys this, the timing of everything, but Tiffy, he met Tiffany and me at the same time.

00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:19.119
So he was dating us like for those first few weeks at the very same time.

00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.599
And then for whatever reason, maybe it's because she got her periods.

00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.239
I don't know, but I got the lucky prize.

00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:36.559
And as she says in the documentary, he always kept in touch with her, whether it was like through every so often, like every six months, he would just send her a WhatsApp saying, Hey, what's up?

00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:47.440
And it's now the spring of 2024, and she's on Facebook, and it's people you might know, and it's Jim's Paretti, not Paretti, James Paretti, and she's like, I know him.

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.280
So she friends him, and that starts their banter all over again.

00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:56.239
And he's single, apparently, and she's single, but he wasn't single, living with Jen.

00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:03.280
And but Tiffany's smart, and she decided to Google him this time because she just said something wasn't feeling right.

00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:16.159
And that's when she found the Toronto life story, which led to her looking me up, which she then DMs me, and right away we got on the phone, and she was like, Oh my god, I'm supposed to be going out with him like tomorrow night.

00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.719
What you're like, this is crazy.

00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:24.960
So yeah, he's he never ever stopped.

00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:26.480
Right.

00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:30.559
He would keep you in the back pocket just in case he needed you again.

00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:32.480
He did that with a couple of the girls.

00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:33.920
Uh yeah.

00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:39.199
And it makes sense to me because oh my my stuff's getting low.

00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:41.679
Like, all right, who else can we bait up?

00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:43.599
Let's see if they'll still talk to me.

00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:48.239
Just to think about what was going on in that man's head.

00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.599
He was on like what nine different dating apps?

00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:52.880
Yeah, probably.

00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:54.800
All of them, all of them.

00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.599
Tinder costing.

00:37:58.239 --> 00:37:58.880
I know.

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.599
So he wasn't really a drinker.

00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:12.320
Like we wouldn't if we ever went out to dinner, which was very rare, especially with COVID, but or even at home, like he never really would let his guard down and let loose and party.

00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.880
Like, and I think the reason is he probably had so many stories in his mind.

00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:18.079
He had to keep straight.

00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:19.840
Who what did I tell this person?

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:30.000
And there was probably like the big themes, the fact, like the big lie that he graduated second in his class from the University of Waterloo, which is the Canadian equivalent of MIT.

00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:34.880
We had his backstory is that he even has a LinkedIn profile, which is still up.

00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:43.679
So he's got a LinkedIn profile with all this fake work history, but it's good enough for when you don't know it's fake, you go and you look at it, you're like, that's pretty impressive.

00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.760
This guy's worked in China and California.

00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.679
And he was in China, he was all over the world.

00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.199
He really wouldn't drink because what's that saying?

00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.920
Loose lip, loose lips sink ships.

00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:01.599
So I think he very much had to keep all his facts straight.

00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.880
But he had really, yeah, he had some weird habits, like I touched on it in the documentary a bit, just like his sleeping habits.

00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:11.119
He would, you know, he would nap every afternoon because it would make sense.

00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:16.800
He would stay up so late because he was on the apps chatting up women all night long.

00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:32.639
There's I don't think it made it into the documentary, but when I started that one day that I was able to actually go into the one dating app, one of the dating apps, and read a lot of his correspondence, went back months.

00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.000
And I get to Valentine's Day of 2020.

00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:44.800
And he's messaging several women just saying how he loved nothing more than to have somebody to kiss and a Valentine.

00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.400
Meanwhile, I'm sound asleep with like my silk eye mask and Batsy beside me.

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:57.760
And he comes and he puts a rose beside my head and my Valentine's Day card and takes a picture of me sleeping.

00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.639
Like it's so creepy some of the stuff he did.

00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:12.639
Meanwhile, while he's doing that, he's also simultaneously messaging all these women just saying, Oh, I'd love nothing more than to he's he very much is a sick, twisted individual.

00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.199
Absolutely.

00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:20.800
Somehow there's something in him feeding, and I don't know if it's like an ego thing.

00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:33.119
Maybe he actually has low self-esteem and he needs all this to boost him up, or it's just he doesn't want to work and he wants to take advantage of women, or he wants to be a ladies' man, whatever the hell it may be.

00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:34.800
He needs fucking therapy.

00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.840
Yes and no, he's too smart for therapy.

00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:52.960
We went so that month of August when he was living with Jen, unbeknownst to me, and making her life the best month of her life with that an exciting month of bursts.

00:40:53.760 --> 00:41:10.719
Him and I did he and I did go to two two-hour long couple therapy sessions with a really good site, like a therapist who did his PhD dissertation in why opposites tracked.

00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:15.519
And he, after the first session, was like, I know you guys are a lovely couple, I can mix you.

00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.400
Like he even call on the therapist.

00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:24.159
So the third appointment, Jace didn't show up and lied about that.

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.239
And when then it would have been within 24 hours of that that I learned the truth.

00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.159
And I called the therapist the following week and told him everything.

00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.039
And I was like, Did you pick up on any of this?

00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:38.159
And he was shocked.

00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:39.440
He was like, No.

00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:50.880
And in April of 2025, when the judge did sentence him, she gave a long summation of like her reasoning.

00:41:50.960 --> 00:42:11.440
And she even said, while she ordered a psychiatric evaluation, she did say to him that she's not gonna waste precious court and what do you call it, like correctional services on him for getting therapy because she's you're too smart for it.

00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.719
Like she she knew he would just lie to the therapist.

00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:21.519
He doesn't that's the problem with psychopathy, sociopaths, narcissists.

00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:28.159
Like it's not a pill that you can give them to get better, it's a disorder.

00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:39.679
Their brains are so wired fucked uply that I don't know if they if you can get better.

00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.280
Like you would need somebody to do a lot of self-reflection, a lot of hard change, a lot of therapy.

00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:50.480
And we all know change making changes in life isn't always easy.

00:42:50.639 --> 00:43:01.679
Like, I love to every Sunday night I go to sleep where I'm like, hey, Monday morning, I'm gonna wake up half an hour earlier so I can journal and meditate this week before I get going with the day.

00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:03.760
That's a healthy change.

00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:10.000
And nine out of ten Mondays, I'm just like, snews, it's it's hard.

00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:13.440
My point is it's hard enough to implement positive healthy changes.

00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:20.239
How can we expect somebody who's so mendacious, somebody who's so diabolical to actually change?

00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:21.440
It's impossible.

00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:23.679
You're so crude, and they don't want to.

00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.159
There's they see there's nothing wrong with them.

00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.320
So why would they want to change?

00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:28.960
Yeah.

00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:37.440
And I have to say, there were times it took a lot of healing, a lot of therapy, a lot of there.

00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.880
I asked myself the hard questions, like, what did I why didn't I see this?

00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:41.599
Like, why me?

00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:42.719
What did I ignore?

00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:54.000
Did I want to be in love so badly that I turned a blind eye to the little tiny hits of intuition that we're trying to get through?

00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:58.320
And that can create a huge shame spiral.

00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:04.559
And But you have to go through it to get out to the other side.

00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:09.119
So it's you are blinded by love.

00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:10.000
You are.

00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.000
Like, I think we can all say that.

00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:12.880
I've been there.

00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.360
I should have seen signs when I didn't.

00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.320
And when I got out, I was like, holy fuck, what were you thinking?

00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:20.800
Yeah.

00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.519
And but you don't know until you're out of it.

00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:24.559
Because they do.

00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.159
Every time you second guess something, there's an answer for it.

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:29.440
There's a reason for it.

00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.280
So in the documentary, your father said he felt like he let you down.

00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.760
And that made me a little sad.

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.000
But when it comes down to it, do you think you would have listened?

00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:48.320
It puts funny as funny as that because we brief my mom and I just a couple weeks ago watched the entire footage of my dad's interview.

00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:56.719
And it was so surreal because I just I miss him so much.

00:44:56.960 --> 00:44:59.360
And I'm sorry for your loss.

00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.000
When I saw that in the second episode, I know.

00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.719
Oh man, it was brutal.

00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:10.159
And Baxi, my like my little dog Baxi, I had to put him to sleep in July.

00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.199
And then my dad died in October, and it was just like boom, like too huge.

00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:22.159
I can't compare my dog to my dad, but god, there were days where I was just like, God, like, how much more can you throw down on me?

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:33.840
Jeez Louise, but my dad definitely had his inclinations.

00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:40.960
And as he would say, like, even if he had tried to talk to me, I might not have listened.

00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:45.599
And it made me very sad to hear that he felt he let me down, but he didn't let me down.

00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:50.320
He know I know in I know in his heart of hearts that he knows that he did a good job.

00:45:50.480 --> 00:46:09.039
And what makes me most sad is that he never got to see the documentary, see Justice Served, see me now, really turning this pain around and getting to go on platforms like this podcast and sharing my story in the hopes that it's helping other people.

00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:10.559
And I think it is.

00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:19.679
I get emails all the time and messages from people all around the world who are just like, thank you, you know, your bravery, thank you for sharing your story.

00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:28.800
I don't feel so alone because women don't and men don't always want to talk about this stuff because it is embarrassing and it can be shameful.

00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:39.599
And just last week I was interviewed for the local news because there was a rope a romance fraudster arrested here in Toronto and coinciding with Valentine's Day.

00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:53.280
And I said when we don't speak up, it's just like giving the monster more food, it's feeding them, it's like pouring gasoline on a fire and it's making their power even stronger.

00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:57.840
So I do think by being open about it, it definitely is empowering.

00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:58.880
It feels good.

00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:03.039
Get that in a way by not reporting it, you're saying it's okay.

00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.800
What you did to me was okay, and it's not okay.

00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.920
And I think your dad is still around, you know.

00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.719
Just because the body leaves, the soul does not.

00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.679
And I know for a fact he'd be very proud of you.

00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:17.599
So know that.

00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:23.360
If there are women out there right now questioning things, what would you tell them?

00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:31.119
What are maybe some signs to look for or inklings that we say trust your gut?

00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.159
And but did you you probably didn't even have the gut at that point?

00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.239
No, it depends on the level of duplicity you're dealing with.

00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:46.559
Because even like on your phone, you can hide apps, you can hide photos, like even if your boyfriend's being totally transparent.

00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:53.840
I knew Jace's passcode, but I didn't know that you could now I know, but I didn't know to look for hidden apps or hidden photos.

00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:57.760
I didn't know that this guy had multiple SIM cards and a burner phone.

00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:14.800
Like there's the basics, yes, if it's the beginning and you're they're whisking you off to, I don't know, like Paris for a weekend and you've only known them for a week, like maybe you want to slow down if they're whining and dinning you so lavishly.

00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:18.239
I don't think it has to come on so strong.

00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:23.360
I used to always think that love was about fireworks, but now I feel love is the fireplace.

00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:27.440
You want to go slow, go steady.

00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:28.960
That'll get you there.

00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.719
If you're online dating and somebody's asking you for money, no.

00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:55.360
I hope everyone knows that now because I've actually met women and spoken to people who have been that kind of romance fraud victim where they've never met the person in real life and they've given huge sums of money for either an investment they thought was going to be legit or because the person played them and lied to them about that.

00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:11.360
To answer your question, like I think the more some trips and stuff, but like something there's all the future, yeah, that happened with Italy.

00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.360
One thing that's not talked about in the documentary, I don't think it is.

00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:21.679
So we met in 2018 in early in by Christmas time of 2018.

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.039
We started talking, or in November, we started talking about going on a holiday.

00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.039
And I had, I was like, oh my god, great.

00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.679
I had all these Amex travel points.

00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:34.079
So I was like, I have to use these, so let me see what we can use them for.

00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:44.719
So I booked us using all the Amex points and paying a bit of cash into a resort in the Dominican Republic.

00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.000
And Jace was getting his passport.

00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:50.079
He he had to renew his passport.

00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.119
And we were, I think we were leaving on a Saturday and Friday.

00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:59.280
I was downtown showing condos to a client, and he called and I let it go to the voicemail.

00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:01.360
And I called him on the way back home.

00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.360
And he said, Oh my god, Heather, like, yeah, my passport hasn't arrived.

00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:10.880
And I just got off the phone with them, and there was a problem with my friend who was my reference.

00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.360
They couldn't get in touch with him, so they couldn't verify me.

00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.440
And like, I don't have a passport, I can't go.

00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.039
And I was like, What?

00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:24.400
And of course, this is a non-refundable, non-transferable trip.

00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.840
So I'm like, what the f so I ended up going.

00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:39.440
I went to like five-star adults-only resort in Dominican Republic by myself over Valentine's Day.

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.559
It was brutal.

00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:47.679
And the whole time I was down there, he kept lying more, just saying, I'm trying to get a passport, and I'm, you know, but the they shut down early because of weather.

00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:54.320
And he actually sent me a picture of him, allegedly him, at the passport office.

00:50:54.480 --> 00:51:07.199
And it wouldn't be until like, I don't know, years later, like even after I learned the truth, and probably like another year after that, I took that picture and ran it through Google Images and I did a reverse look up lookup.

00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:08.159
And wouldn't you know it?

00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:11.440
It's like a stock image photo of a passport office.

00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:33.519
So he because when I found all that stuff hidden under the bed, one of the things I found was the letter from the family responsibility office denying him a passport because he was so behind in child support, not just to the woman he had the one child with, but the two kids he had with his first wife that I didn't even know existed.

00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:36.320
So crazy.

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.440
So, you know, yeah.

00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:51.840
So when he gave me the fake e plane tickets for my birthday later that year to go to Italy, I was over the moon because I didn't know they were fake.

00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.119
And then, of course, the trip got postponed.

00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:02.719
And it's almost like there were times I wondered to myself, like, is this guy on a chat room on the dark web?

00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:17.599
Because it just all happened so perfectly that the trip once again got postponed because of family court, and he went to court one day and came back and said they're taking a two-week adjournment and then they're going to go back.

00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:21.840
And in that two-week period, the whole world shut down for COVID.

00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:23.840
So I don't know.

00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:42.079
There were day like there were also times where in the very beginning when I was dealing with the police, and I'd have to, after he was arrested for my mom's stuff, the conditions on the arrest were that he couldn't go near me or my family or my parents' homes.

00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:47.440
But the they left the house that we shared out of that in Aurora.

00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:58.159
So he made it after Jen and him broke up for like a week and he was actually back in the house in Aurora, he made it very difficult and awful for me.

00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:03.679
And I would have to get escorted in by police anytime I wanted to go into the house.

00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.599
And there were times where I just I felt like the police were on his side.

00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.440
And I was like, is this guy an informant?

00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:10.239
What is going on?

00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:16.960
Like, how can they be giving the criminal more liberties and more?

00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:19.199
It's like they're not protecting me, they're protecting him.

00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:28.480
Unfortunately, for some reason, the perpetrators get more rights than the victims, and it's ridiculous.

00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:29.679
It's brutal.

00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:30.559
It's brutal.

00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:32.239
That was your age.

00:53:33.039 --> 00:53:37.280
We were renting the house, but at the end of the day, as far as I was, I was paying for everything.

00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:38.559
So that's another red flag.

00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:39.280
I don't know.

00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:50.159
Money isn't always equal in relationships, but he just it just seemed whenever I needed something from him financially, there there was never any money.

00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:56.239
And that mightbe should have been a bit more of a red flag, but he always tied it back to like family court.

00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:59.199
And the kid needed this, and he bought this for the kid.

00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.519
And I never wanted to interfere with that.

00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.000
I wanted him to get custody of his kid.

00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.880
I wanted him to be the dad that he claimed he was.

00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:14.559
Even in the judge's summation, she basically said to Jace in her ruling, she's like, You're a menace to society.

00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:24.239
Go to jail and come out being the man you so desperately seem to want to be for your kid, but stop using your kid as a pawn.

00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:32.559
I should do some Instagram content on that because I have the whole like 87-page summation, and it's pretty interesting what she wrote.

00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:34.719
Did he ever make a statement?

00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:39.199
Did he ever say I'm sorry or I'm sick or no?

00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.400
He never said he's sick.

00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:53.760
So when we got to read our victim impact statements in court, and his lawyer redacted chunks of mine because they claimed it wasn't part of the charges.

00:54:53.920 --> 00:55:01.760
And maybe I did go off on a few tangents, but this was the one time I'm allowed to use my voice in the court system.

00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:08.880
He did get up and he said something like, I'm really sorry to hear about Ernest dying.

00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:09.920
He was a good man.

00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:15.440
And it took everything for me to stand in my seat and not jump out and rip his eyeballs out.

00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:30.639
And yeah, between what he said and his girl Jen wrote him a support letter, which she claimed that she depended on him and he was a huge part of her life with her kids and this whole BMX community.

00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:32.800
And I was just like, that's all a lie.

00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.440
She's an accomplice, as far as I'm concerned.

00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:49.199
But it's just so sad that she's wasting what years she has on a man who does not care about her, he cares about what she can do for him.

00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:50.960
Yeah, that's what he cares about.

00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:51.440
Yeah.

00:55:52.960 --> 00:56:00.400
Now, all like many years later, like I am in, I started, I finally started dating like over a year ago.

00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:06.320
After it was probably about six weeks after my dad passed away, I actually met someone.

00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:16.559
And now that I'm in a healthy relationship, and he's great because he knew my right away, he knew my story.

00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:22.800
And I remember when the trailer came out, we'd already been together for five for a good six months, seven months at that point.

00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:28.400
I sent him the trailer, and I was like, if you never want to talk to me again, I totally understand.

00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:34.000
And he watched it and he called me, and I could tell he was crying, and he was just like, I'm so proud of you.

00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:36.159
Because I love you even more.

00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.079
And I'm like, oh my gosh.

00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.280
It's like the comment I said earlier: love isn't fireworks, it's a fireplace.

00:56:43.519 --> 00:57:01.599
And with Greg, it hasn't always been easy, especially at the beginning, like, oh my god, I would just I'd it'd be one step forward, ten steps back, and believe me, like I tried to sabotage it because I just didn't know love.

00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:03.039
I didn't trust it.

00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:04.559
I didn't trust myself.

00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:07.519
And it took a long time, and he was so patient.

00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:18.000
But because I knew he was a real man and a good man, we could have conversations that aren't always easy to have.

00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:26.000
And I would walk away from those conversations, not being confused, not feeling anxious, but feeling I was heard, I heard him.

00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:29.360
It's that idea, I guess, of more like really what a partnership is about.

00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:34.639
Like when you come together with somebody and you can have the harder conversations and you grow from them.

00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:42.400
You don't get upset and freak out, and you know, it's manipulate turn on because you did this.

00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:42.880
Right.

00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:47.760
It's none of that, and it's not reactionary, it's it's mature, simple.

00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:56.559
I yeah, in that regard, yeah, part of me feels bad for anyone who might still be pining for a criminal.

00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:02.559
Because so happy that you found a real love interest.

00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:03.360
That is great.

00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:04.320
You deserve it.

00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:05.840
Thank you, you really do.

00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:06.559
Thank you.

00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:07.599
I think you're great.

00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.840
When I was watching you on the documentary, I'm like, I hang out with this girl.

00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:12.800
Thank you.

00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:15.440
You got Moxie, I like it.

00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:16.000
Thank you.

00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:27.360
When I go next winter, I so I pretty much my mom, as long as she's still wintering in Florida, I'm gonna spend a good month down in Florida every winter with her because it's just such a special time.

00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:31.840
I love her so much, and yeah, it's good.

00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:33.760
Florida's cool.

00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.639
Yeah, come visit.

00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:38.000
I don't know.

00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:42.639
But I think I think a lot of people can probably see their story in me.

00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:44.559
Like I say all the time, I'm not unique.

00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:47.119
My story's not unique.

00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:52.800
I guess where it gets juicy is the fact that he had been arrested and then came out and just changed his name.

00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.199
But he never stopped doing it and he never will.

00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.639
And as long as you know the flying monkey.

00:58:58.880 --> 00:58:59.599
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:06.639
He'll have the flying monkeys, whether it's Jen or even the mother of his child, because she'll probably facilitate visits.

00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.440
Like it's pretty sad.

00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:10.800
It's pretty sad.

00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:16.880
When I was watching it, one of the last girls, I think, called him Bob.

00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:21.679
So he got completely away from even the Jane names.

00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:22.159
Yeah.

00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:30.400
So I almost guarantee it when he does get out, he's gonna be like Adam, or he's gonna he's gonna change his name.

00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:36.400
I just hope they can find it because part of his probation is he can't be on any dating apps.

00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:36.800
Yep.

00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.679
And I hope, yeah, it's there's a lot more to it.

00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:41.760
I don't think he's allowed to legally change his name.

00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:46.880
It doesn't mean he can't use a different persona online, but he won't be able to legally change his name.

00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:53.119
So he's stuck actually as Jace Parati, which he got the last name Parati.

00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:56.000
His mother's maiden name was Parati.

00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:59.280
And I guess he thought by adding an I it made him sound Italian.

00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:01.599
And here I thought I was dating this Italian guy.

01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.239
I don't even think the guy's ever been to Italy.

01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:06.159
He has I don't think he has ever.

01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.880
He's been to Italy as many times as he's been to China.

01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:09.840
Right.

01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:12.880
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.800
Oh, yeah, because this guy can't get a passport, so he can't travel.

01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:25.199
But yeah, I hope women can watch this the documentary and listen to these conversations.

01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:32.880
And if they suspect that they're being played, or something, that's the intuition.

01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:41.519
It's like some I guess if something feels off it might be, or it's something seems too good to be true, it might just be.

01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:52.000
And that's the difference that if you're with a legitimate person, you ought to be able to have that conversation and talk about your doubts and your fears.

01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:59.280
And if it's unfounded and they are legitimate, it'll get diffused and you'll just be like, okay.

01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:06.400
But if you leave a conversation feeling more confused than going in, that's something to look at.

01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:12.079
I definitely I just yesterday visited with a friend and she apologized.

01:01:12.159 --> 01:01:16.880
She said how they're part of the reason why we drifted was she's like, I didn't trust him.

01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:34.719
And she goes, and when you move from the city to Aurora, she was like, I was worried for you because you moved to a yes, it's only 45 minutes north of Toronto, but I'm a city girl, and here I am living semi-rural in this little town in a suburb where I know no one.

01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:36.159
Isolation.

01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:52.079
And I definitely I've journaled, I journaled the whole time I was with him, and I think back to a lot of that time, and it's hard to say what might have been a bit of COVID, but I definitely lost my sparkle.

01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.159
I lost some of my self-esteem.

01:01:54.320 --> 01:02:06.320
I definitely wasn't at my happiest times, even though while I was in it, I just was like, I guess this is just part and parcel for being in a relationship.

01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:09.840
It's not always going to be great, and the world's a mess, and it is what it is.

01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:14.239
But no, that's not my true nature.

01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.280
And he dug away at that for sure.

01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:22.000
They know exactly what to do to knock you down.

01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.440
They get into your head, they find out your insecurities.

01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:36.960
One other thing though, I definitely want to touch on is he wasn't a physical person, but he did hurt you, but tried to play it off as joking.

01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:49.599
And I think that's huge because you he would try to tickle you, and then he'd put his fingers in your ribs to where the part where you couldn't even breathe, he'd sit on you.

01:02:50.480 --> 01:03:03.199
And that is not okay because clearly when you're telling someone to stop doing something and they refuse to do it, they think it's hilarious, keep doing it, and they video record it.

01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:05.119
Red flag.

01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.239
Yeah, there's your red flag for sure, for sure.

01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:10.400
I guess I miss again.

01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:25.039
That's like the grooming and the conditioning, and I mistook that banter between us, that play as something like flirtatious, even though it did hurt.

01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:28.400
And he wanted it that way.

01:03:28.559 --> 01:03:33.840
That's why I think he laughed because oh, she's gonna think we're playing around.

01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:37.519
But I think a part of him really enjoyed causing pain.

01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:38.239
I know.

01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:47.760
We used to also play that game punch buggy, if you're driving like a Volkswagen beetle, and he did this with the little boy's mom because she told me this.

01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:49.039
And I was like, oh my god.

01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:53.599
We would play it, and sometimes it'd be like punch buggy, bread, no punch backs.

01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:59.599
He would go whoop, and I'd be like, Whoa, killer, like you've got big biceps.

01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:12.079
He also very much used anabolic steroids, like he would, I would he would walk around with the needle in his bicep because you would have to push it in ever so slowly, the juice.

01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:14.239
And I was like, This is so weird.

01:04:14.320 --> 01:04:19.039
But I do Botox, so who am I to like say you shouldn't put things in your body?

01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:28.880
But yeah, I think he definitely had some roid rage, and now knowing what some of the side effects are of steroid use, he definitely had some of that stuff going on too.

01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:36.960
But uh he's yeah, he's a bad man, and he's thank God off the streets for a short period of time.

01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:44.639
When he gets out, I hope he doesn't start doing this all over again, but he probably will because a tiger can't change their stripes.

01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:52.800
And the sad thing is, he's probably in jail meeting new scammers and bad guys, and I say it's like college for criminals.

01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.440
He's probably learning some new tricks of the trade.

01:04:55.760 --> 01:05:05.440
And while he is getting older and definitely losing his looks, there's always going to be somebody who's going to look at him and think he's the cat's meow.

01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:14.480
That's why he keeps going older if he's now 52, turning 52, to some 70-year-old woman.

01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.000
Hey, that's hot.

01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:22.800
Hopefully, his face gets plastered everywhere, and people know what to look look for.

01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:24.320
I just hope he gets more time.

01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.840
Like at least 10 years.

01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:27.039
I'll let you know.

01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:27.679
I'll let you know.

01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:31.119
I'll let you know at the end of March what happens, and then I can let you know in September.

01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:39.440
But yeah, like at least he's not using the system and has a he doesn't have a free, what do they call it?

01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:40.880
Like legal aid lawyers.

01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:42.800
Like he can't qualify for legal aid.

01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:54.400
So he even bragged to the court last year that he had a really he asked not to go away because he had a really good year and was on track to make even more money this year.

01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.800
And the judge was like, You're making money, great.

01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:58.880
You should be able to pay restitution.

01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:10.559
So I think he shot himself in the foot because in this economy, I don't know how anyone's I don't know too many people who are thriving, let alone con man handyman.

01:06:11.599 --> 01:06:12.400
Absolutely.

01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:16.719
He obviously wasn't a very good handyman because your bar was not straight.

01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:31.039
He also did throughout our relationship, he made some furniture, but he would, it's like he would make he would it'd be 90% finished, and there would be something wrong with it that it never was fully attached or this was missing.

01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:38.719
Like he he made a dresser for us in the bedroom, but he never put a top on it, like it wasn't finished, and I was like, my god.

01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:40.639
I don't know, stupid.

01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:59.760
The sad thing is, if he actually, like anyone, channeled all this Maelian energy to something positive, he would probably have an okay living, like he could probably be a decent carpenter or a decent contractor or even maybe a computer coder.

01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:05.920
The police one day, I think there were two cops that gave me some solace.

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:11.199
One said, Heather, it's not against the law to lie and be an asshole, although it should be.

01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:12.400
I'm like, Yep.

01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:19.920
And then this other cop told me to Heather, people like him don't change, he's never going to change.

01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.639
And that was the funny thing.

01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:31.199
The very first time I ever spoke to the mother of the child, she said to me, We thought he changed with you.

01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:32.880
And I was like, Oh my gosh.

01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:37.679
You obviously know little, very little about human psychology because people don't change.

01:07:37.920 --> 01:07:57.199
But on one hand, that was a bit of a weird compliment for me because I guess while we were together for a long part of our relationship, he felt secure enough to be able to go and have his parental visits and showing up and being a good person in the moment.

01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:07.280
And that's partly because I would send him off to his kid visits with the a backpack with extra clothes and snacks, just to make it look like he was really making an effort.

01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:15.519
I was on all these step-mom, I was in all these stepmom groups on Facebook, and I would listen to step-mom podcasts, and I was like, I'm ready for this.

01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:16.800
We've got this.

01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:29.920
And so in a weird way, because he would show up and be a really good dad and polite to her, she took it for he had changed, but no, guys like that, he's never gonna change.

01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:34.880
And yeah, yeah.

01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:39.760
I think deep down he did have some love for you.

01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:40.399
I do.

01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:54.000
For you, I do, because you were with him a long period of time, and you did you gave him stability, you wanted him to be a better person, and maybe he did want that, it just not bad enough.

01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:54.560
Yeah.

01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:01.279
Maybe out of all the women, though, I'm like, most of the women get the fake suicide attempts.

01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:08.479
I'm the one who gets almost arrested because he manages to turn all the stories around and make me the bad guy.

01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:17.359
Like it's when the court date went sideways that day, I had to go and give a statement at the police station.

01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:21.760
And I'm like, why do I feel like I've done something wrong?

01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:26.479
Like I was terri I was scared they were going to try and turn this around on me.

01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.960
But when they showed me the flyers, I started laughing.

01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:33.600
And the detective was like, Why are you laughing?

01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:37.119
And I was like, first of all, my phone number is wrong.

01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.640
So this flyer was like, it says something like guilty Jace Parati.

01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:42.880
And there was a picture of him and me.

01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:44.479
No, it was a picture of just him.

01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.119
But I was looking at that picture and I was like, oh my god.

01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:53.600
And I said to the detective, I'm like, that's the picture, that's a screen grab from a video that he made of us in the car.

01:09:54.079 --> 01:10:01.359
And I was like, but had I made this flyer, I would have used a different picture of him because it wasn't like it was only a sign of his face.

01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:08.800
And secondly, don't you think if I made a flyer asking for interviews or information on him, I would have put my real phone number.

01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:13.920
So the phone number that he put was wrong by a digit, which kind of made me mad.

01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:17.439
I was like, after being with him for over three years, he never learned my phone number.

01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:21.520
Either that or he really didn't want you to get any calls.

01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:23.039
Yeah, no, yeah.

01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.319
I think he I don't think anyone really saw these flyers.

01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:30.319
I think he just miraculously found them, but so funny.

01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.159
Yeah, I don't think anyone did either.

01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:35.520
Such a pleasure having you on.

01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:37.680
Was there anything else that you wanted to add?

01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.239
Just watch the documentary.

01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:46.960
I'm working on people if they want to follow me to see how things progress, they can follow me on social media.

01:10:47.039 --> 01:10:48.560
I'm not super huge on social media.

01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:55.279
I should probably try and up my game a bit, but and I'm very excited.

01:10:55.520 --> 01:11:04.960
I have been signed with a literary agency and I'm working on my memoir to go into more detail about the whole story and like the healing and all the good stuff.

01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:09.359
So that's probably, oh gosh, usually a year out, but it's exciting.

01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:09.840
Yeah.

01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:26.079
And I really do hope that one day if a woman calls the police to her house and tells them that she realizes she's living a du with somebody who's living a duplicitous criminal life, that the cops hopefully do something.

01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:36.159
And I hope that the more people that come forward with their stories and the more that romance fraud gets talked about, that maybe something will change.

01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:38.560
Nobody has to go through this again.

01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:40.000
Absolutely.

01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:47.199
The laws need to catch up to where we are in society because we are living in the stone age when it comes to that kind of stuff.

01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:47.760
100%.

01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:51.520
So it's time they catch up, and we got to start making examples of people.

01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:52.720
That's the only way.

01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:57.199
When people see all these people getting away with it, what where's the risk?

01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:58.640
So why not?

01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:00.560
I have some ideas around that too.

01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:02.560
I should reach out to some of the dating apps.

01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:14.079
But you know how there's first of all, there's in Canada, and I'm sure it's in the States too, like when a pedophile or a sex offender gets released, they have like a national database of like sex offenders, so they have to stay registered.

01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:21.199
Maybe it is a bit extreme, but why can't these fraudsters, why can't we have a database, a publicly accessible database of these fraudsters?

01:12:21.439 --> 01:12:39.279
And if they are continually on the dating apps, and if that's the platform for them to use, like America's most wanted, why wouldn't the dating apps have the most wanted list that you could click and you'd see the Jayce Parati, Don, Mike, Bob, whatever names he's going.

01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:40.880
Here are all his aliases.

01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:42.560
Here's five pictures of him.

01:12:42.720 --> 01:12:47.680
Beware, like a beware page for women that these people keep getting reported.

01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:50.560
So if they do show up, beware, keep reporting them.

01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:51.600
That's not hard to do.

01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:52.800
It's a great idea.

01:12:52.960 --> 01:12:54.079
Yeah, it's a great idea.

01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:54.960
Yeah.

01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:58.479
Well, they'll say is, oh, it goes against their privacy.

01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.479
But what happened to my privacy when he bamboozled me?

01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:06.560
So no, I don't want to hear that bullshit.

01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:09.760
Maybe if the dating apps don't want to do it, we could create something like that.

01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:14.159
But yeah, but then the scary thing is when people get catchfished, it's not really them.

01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:15.600
But that's a whole other thing.

01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:21.279
Like we could have a whole conversation on just the levels of fraud and deception and manipulation that are happening.

01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:22.800
It's brutal.

01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:23.760
It's brutal.

01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:30.479
And with all the technologies, it's getting scarier and scarier, and people just we have to pay attention.

01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.199
We have to, everybody in society has to work together.

01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:36.960
If your bank is your bank's not gonna text you, the government's not gonna text you.

01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:37.760
It's crazy.

01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:50.399
A text once from I think it was Medicare, first of all, not even that age, and it said that my Medicare was on hold because my social security numbers have been jeopardized.

01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:55.279
It was something so off the charts, and I was like, this is an thing.

01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:00.079
But some poor person is gonna be vulnerable and fall for it.

01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:01.359
And that's the scary thing.

01:14:01.439 --> 01:14:05.439
Like, even my mom, every at least once or twice a week, she's like, I just got this weird text from Amazon.

01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.359
I'm like, nah, don't click.

01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:08.319
I get them too.

01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.239
Like, it's scary, it's crazy.

01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:12.800
I got one like some parking ticket or some speeding ticket.

01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:20.960
I'm like, and they think that you're stupid enough to click through, and then it's crazy, it's just crazy, it really is.

01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:27.680
But people like you are helping because you're letting people like me have a platform to keep talking, which is amazing.

01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:28.960
So thank you.